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		<title>By: Nonviolent email feedback - Page 4</title>
		<link>http://monkeyinmymind.com/2009/01/04/internet-self-help-guru-steve-pavlina-decides-to-have-sex-with-women-who-are-not-his-wife/comment-page-2/#comment-1037</link>
		<dc:creator>Nonviolent email feedback - Page 4</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Duck emailer is too far off base, although his/her approach was entirely wrong.  I found this&gt; Internet Self-Help Guru Steve Pavlina Decides to Have Sex with Women Who are Not His Wife &#124; monkeyin...  Which seems almost entirely dedicated to the same topic that the email was about.   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Duck emailer is too far off base, although his/her approach was entirely wrong.  I found this&gt; Internet Self-Help Guru Steve Pavlina Decides to Have Sex with Women Who are Not His Wife | monkeyin&#8230;  Which seems almost entirely dedicated to the same topic that the email was about.   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Monkey</title>
		<link>http://monkeyinmymind.com/2009/01/04/internet-self-help-guru-steve-pavlina-decides-to-have-sex-with-women-who-are-not-his-wife/comment-page-2/#comment-1036</link>
		<dc:creator>The Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting.  While many people who have commented here seem to be taking a negative view of Steve Pavlina&#039;s actions, to deem their observations lacking in critical thinking appears to entirely miss the point.  The fact that many of them were devotees at one point who have become since become disillusioned with Steve&#039;s current path indicates that quite a bit of critical thinking is occurring on the part of these former and current Pavlina readers.  

But I do agree that our opinion of others is a reflection of our opinion of ourselves, so the observer can never be removed from the situation.  Your point is well taken.  In fact, I invite you to read more to discover that several of your points have been taken into account in this blog.  The Monkey and I have written about what our criticisms of Pavlina could mean about ourselves in the post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://monkeyinmymind.com/2009/01/12/steve-pavlinas-take-on-polyamory-causes-me-to-re-think-my-marriage/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve Pavlina&#039;s Take on Polyamory Causes Me to Re-think My Marriage.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting.  While many people who have commented here seem to be taking a negative view of Steve Pavlina&#8217;s actions, to deem their observations lacking in critical thinking appears to entirely miss the point.  The fact that many of them were devotees at one point who have become since become disillusioned with Steve&#8217;s current path indicates that quite a bit of critical thinking is occurring on the part of these former and current Pavlina readers.  </p>
<p>But I do agree that our opinion of others is a reflection of our opinion of ourselves, so the observer can never be removed from the situation.  Your point is well taken.  In fact, I invite you to read more to discover that several of your points have been taken into account in this blog.  The Monkey and I have written about what our criticisms of Pavlina could mean about ourselves in the post: <a href="http://monkeyinmymind.com/2009/01/12/steve-pavlinas-take-on-polyamory-causes-me-to-re-think-my-marriage/" rel="nofollow">Steve Pavlina&#8217;s Take on Polyamory Causes Me to Re-think My Marriage.</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Monkey</title>
		<link>http://monkeyinmymind.com/2009/01/04/internet-self-help-guru-steve-pavlina-decides-to-have-sex-with-women-who-are-not-his-wife/comment-page-2/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>The Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 12:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you re: celibacy.  Giving into every physical desire, while exciting and occasionally fun, can often ultimately result in feelings of emptiness, as those desires can never fully be realized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you re: celibacy.  Giving into every physical desire, while exciting and occasionally fun, can often ultimately result in feelings of emptiness, as those desires can never fully be realized.</p>
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		<title>By: Louche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conversation is absolutely depressing. I am a little annoyed with Steve&#039;s new D/s thing, or mostly the forceful way he approaches people when they disagree with him and also the way he repeats silly things over and over and things they&#039;re hilarious... I guess I just don&#039;t share his sense of humor. But that said, I love Steve&#039;s blog, and the complaints here are pretty empty. This isn&#039;t criticism because it doesn&#039;t involve critical thinking. There is no basis behind, &quot;The book didn&#039;t sit right with me, but I can&#039;t put my finger on it,&quot; and yet the blogger here is insinuating that this is the basis of something wrong with Steve Pavlina. Examine your OWN feelings and opinions before making insinuations about others. If you have a bad feeling about Steve, then ask not only what might be wrong with him, but what might be with your feeling. Because you are going to want to figure out one of those if you want to get rid of that discomfort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conversation is absolutely depressing. I am a little annoyed with Steve&#8217;s new D/s thing, or mostly the forceful way he approaches people when they disagree with him and also the way he repeats silly things over and over and things they&#8217;re hilarious&#8230; I guess I just don&#8217;t share his sense of humor. But that said, I love Steve&#8217;s blog, and the complaints here are pretty empty. This isn&#8217;t criticism because it doesn&#8217;t involve critical thinking. There is no basis behind, &#8220;The book didn&#8217;t sit right with me, but I can&#8217;t put my finger on it,&#8221; and yet the blogger here is insinuating that this is the basis of something wrong with Steve Pavlina. Examine your OWN feelings and opinions before making insinuations about others. If you have a bad feeling about Steve, then ask not only what might be wrong with him, but what might be with your feeling. Because you are going to want to figure out one of those if you want to get rid of that discomfort.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve lists himself as single and living in Las Vegas on his blog, not married and sharing himself. I think it is an interesting phenomenon when a person reaches a point where they are poised to be truly successful and then do something incredibly stupid to sabotage themselves. This is what Steve has done. 

I used to read a newsletter from a woman named Cheryl Lindsey, aka Gentle Spirit. She promoted homeschooling, simple living, Christian marriage. She was featured on radio, invited to speak at homeschool workshops all over the country. Meanwhile, she decided to carry on an affair with a guy she met on the internet, enjoying trysts right under the noses of the Christian leaders who had invited her to talk about marriage and family. After she was exposed as a fraud, she lost her following. You have to be authentic or you lose your ability to connect with people. Having an affair at night was not consistent with the message she was delivering during the day to love and submit to your husband. Lindsey ended up divorcing her husband and marrying her paramour (or should I say, polymore?) 

I would have been more impressed if Steven had chosen extended periods of celibacy to reach a higher state of consciousness. That would have been consistent with his emphasis on self discipline. Now it seems that following his advice leads to divorce, humiliating your spouse and abandoning your children to screw others with impunity. Sad to watch him implode. He had such promise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve lists himself as single and living in Las Vegas on his blog, not married and sharing himself. I think it is an interesting phenomenon when a person reaches a point where they are poised to be truly successful and then do something incredibly stupid to sabotage themselves. This is what Steve has done. </p>
<p>I used to read a newsletter from a woman named Cheryl Lindsey, aka Gentle Spirit. She promoted homeschooling, simple living, Christian marriage. She was featured on radio, invited to speak at homeschool workshops all over the country. Meanwhile, she decided to carry on an affair with a guy she met on the internet, enjoying trysts right under the noses of the Christian leaders who had invited her to talk about marriage and family. After she was exposed as a fraud, she lost her following. You have to be authentic or you lose your ability to connect with people. Having an affair at night was not consistent with the message she was delivering during the day to love and submit to your husband. Lindsey ended up divorcing her husband and marrying her paramour (or should I say, polymore?) </p>
<p>I would have been more impressed if Steven had chosen extended periods of celibacy to reach a higher state of consciousness. That would have been consistent with his emphasis on self discipline. Now it seems that following his advice leads to divorce, humiliating your spouse and abandoning your children to screw others with impunity. Sad to watch him implode. He had such promise.</p>
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		<title>By: avraidire</title>
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		<dc:creator>avraidire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I write this note and in fact, start this new thread on my blog in reaction to a phenomenon I believe to be extremely dangerous in the United States and indeed, across the world. I might just have a different perspective on it, being a foreigner, a frenchman, but it just doesn’t seem right to me. That literally millions of young americans would flock to this website of Mr Steve Pavlina and others of these so called self-development sites just astonishes me. But is is the sad reality, that these young adults, not having any vision for their life, no real values to lean on, no hope, would believe anything this guru would tell them. It’s incredible how people wait for someone else to show them the way. The reality is that they are completely lost, and therefore need direction. This position makes them very vulnerable and they listen to any authoritative voice. If you don’t have a vision for your life, if you do not see where you want to go and who you want to be, it won’t be long before somebody else dictates you what to do. Often it’s more subtle than that, you really think you are using you free will when in fact you are just being influenced by someone speaking into your life. The website I’m mainly talking about here, you can check it out for yourself, is called www.stevepavlina.com, and it has an enormous success.

Steve is a successful businessman who has built his fame and fortune by becoming this “guru” of self-development. In other words, he tells people how to live their lives and they love it. What’s disturbing in his whole approach is that he is a clever man who knows how to manipulate others. Very critical towards all religions, he has, in a sense, created his own. It’s in line with the adoration of the ego, the self-centeredness and the me, me-ism.” It’s all about me-me-me ”. My happinness, my well-being, my development, my pleasure, my satisfaction…nothing new under the sun…

Very old philosophy in fact, and it’s called disobedience, rebellion, it’s called carnality. What is really is, is the rejection of a God who created us and the disparition of any accountability towards him. I am my own God. The problem here is that when people stop believing in God, they end up believing not in nothing, but rather in anything. The so-called modern philosophies, the new techniques, the new-age, are not new at all. In the old days they were called paganism, idol-worship. Even the generation of Abraham believed in the Gods of the Sun, the Earth, the Sea. It all boils down to one thing : worshipping the creature instead of the creator. It is a fascination for what is created, but the author of life is brushed aside like an obsolete theory...http://WWW.AVRAIDIRE.EU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I write this note and in fact, start this new thread on my blog in reaction to a phenomenon I believe to be extremely dangerous in the United States and indeed, across the world. I might just have a different perspective on it, being a foreigner, a frenchman, but it just doesn’t seem right to me. That literally millions of young americans would flock to this website of Mr Steve Pavlina and others of these so called self-development sites just astonishes me. But is is the sad reality, that these young adults, not having any vision for their life, no real values to lean on, no hope, would believe anything this guru would tell them. It’s incredible how people wait for someone else to show them the way. The reality is that they are completely lost, and therefore need direction. This position makes them very vulnerable and they listen to any authoritative voice. If you don’t have a vision for your life, if you do not see where you want to go and who you want to be, it won’t be long before somebody else dictates you what to do. Often it’s more subtle than that, you really think you are using you free will when in fact you are just being influenced by someone speaking into your life. The website I’m mainly talking about here, you can check it out for yourself, is called <a href="http://www.stevepavlina.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.stevepavlina.com</a>, and it has an enormous success.</p>
<p>Steve is a successful businessman who has built his fame and fortune by becoming this “guru” of self-development. In other words, he tells people how to live their lives and they love it. What’s disturbing in his whole approach is that he is a clever man who knows how to manipulate others. Very critical towards all religions, he has, in a sense, created his own. It’s in line with the adoration of the ego, the self-centeredness and the me, me-ism.” It’s all about me-me-me ”. My happinness, my well-being, my development, my pleasure, my satisfaction…nothing new under the sun…</p>
<p>Very old philosophy in fact, and it’s called disobedience, rebellion, it’s called carnality. What is really is, is the rejection of a God who created us and the disparition of any accountability towards him. I am my own God. The problem here is that when people stop believing in God, they end up believing not in nothing, but rather in anything. The so-called modern philosophies, the new techniques, the new-age, are not new at all. In the old days they were called paganism, idol-worship. Even the generation of Abraham believed in the Gods of the Sun, the Earth, the Sea. It all boils down to one thing : worshipping the creature instead of the creator. It is a fascination for what is created, but the author of life is brushed aside like an obsolete theory&#8230;http://WWW.AVRAIDIRE.EU</p>
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		<title>By: moi</title>
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		<dc:creator>moi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hadn&#039;t looked at Steve&#039;s blog in a while... his new lifestyle is Dominance and Submission. He&#039;s the Master in sexual (and other) control of a female Slave.  He relates this arrangement to starting a business with unequal partners. His new Luftwaffe haircut with bleached highlights and black military-looking getup  go with his new kick. 
After he gets bored with Dom-Sub as he calls it, what will be his next experiment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadn&#8217;t looked at Steve&#8217;s blog in a while&#8230; his new lifestyle is Dominance and Submission. He&#8217;s the Master in sexual (and other) control of a female Slave.  He relates this arrangement to starting a business with unequal partners. His new Luftwaffe haircut with bleached highlights and black military-looking getup  go with his new kick.<br />
After he gets bored with Dom-Sub as he calls it, what will be his next experiment?</p>
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		<title>By: Hello</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tris, introspective is a good thing, but the whole &quot;let&#039;s turn this back on you&quot; thing is a trick many of the commenters here have probably seen before. Tris, what negative aspects of yourself caused you to leave your comment anyway? :)

Interesting post, Monkey. I agree with some of your points. You should know though that Steve never had sex with anyone outside of Erin before their separation (according to them), so expressing his &quot;love&quot; wasn&#039;t just an excuse to have sex with other women, as your article implied. And Erin seems like a very strong and smart woman, so I don&#039;t think anyone needs to worry about her being taken advantage of by Steve or anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tris, introspective is a good thing, but the whole &#8220;let&#8217;s turn this back on you&#8221; thing is a trick many of the commenters here have probably seen before. Tris, what negative aspects of yourself caused you to leave your comment anyway? <img src='http://monkeyinmymind.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Interesting post, Monkey. I agree with some of your points. You should know though that Steve never had sex with anyone outside of Erin before their separation (according to them), so expressing his &#8220;love&#8221; wasn&#8217;t just an excuse to have sex with other women, as your article implied. And Erin seems like a very strong and smart woman, so I don&#8217;t think anyone needs to worry about her being taken advantage of by Steve or anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Syndrom Pavliny # 1 &#124; ChangeMaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syndrom Pavliny # 1 &#124; ChangeMaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, for the record: he&#039;s absolutely right about Freedom of Speech; it simply doesn&#039;t apply to private enterprise, only to the powers of the government.

That being said, I have to admit to being initially absolutely absorbed by Steve&#039;s blog, because he lived life at its very apogee, trying things that most of us adventurous people want to try, but can&#039;t, for various reasons. His blogs about polyphasic sleep and the raw food diet were particularly compelling.

However, more thorough reading of his blog gradually revealed some disturbing aspects of his personality to me. His &quot;you create your own reality, and even the other people in it&quot; notions are pure solipsism, folks. (Look it up.) You&#039;ll find that generally people who hold solipsistic  views also show a tendency towards narcissism.

In Steve&#039;s case, this narcissism has really come to a head with his views towards polyamory. He does what he wants to do, and doesn&#039;t care who he hurts. What a selfish person!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, for the record: he&#8217;s absolutely right about Freedom of Speech; it simply doesn&#8217;t apply to private enterprise, only to the powers of the government.</p>
<p>That being said, I have to admit to being initially absolutely absorbed by Steve&#8217;s blog, because he lived life at its very apogee, trying things that most of us adventurous people want to try, but can&#8217;t, for various reasons. His blogs about polyphasic sleep and the raw food diet were particularly compelling.</p>
<p>However, more thorough reading of his blog gradually revealed some disturbing aspects of his personality to me. His &#8220;you create your own reality, and even the other people in it&#8221; notions are pure solipsism, folks. (Look it up.) You&#8217;ll find that generally people who hold solipsistic  views also show a tendency towards narcissism.</p>
<p>In Steve&#8217;s case, this narcissism has really come to a head with his views towards polyamory. He does what he wants to do, and doesn&#8217;t care who he hurts. What a selfish person!</p>
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